Thursday, March 5, 2015

Saturn in the 12th House



It’s a cliché but it must be said: people with Saturn in their 12th House are true old souls. The saying “wise beyond their years” really applies here, as they are able to understand, on deeply intuitive levels, difficult situations that they might not have even experienced. There is a downright poetic view of the darker, graver elements of life, seeming to channel a dissatisfaction that is bigger than themselves. Planets in the 12th House are not individually owned. They are our experience of humanity. We see them as belonging to others and, eventually, ourselves in ways that blurs boundaries. So, a 12th House Saturn has a deep sense of both their unhappiness and other people’s unhappiness, knowing just how life can screw you over, time and time again. However, there is also the potential to accept life’s hardships in a selfless, spiritually aware manner.

At an unevolved level, people can sometimes repress awareness of their 12th House planets, usually because the person grew up in an early environment where they were disallowed in some way. With Saturn in the 12th, the expression of dissatisfaction was disallowed. Parental figures preached a don’t-worry, be-happy philosophy, which might have reflected some deeply repressed unhappiness or loneliness on their part. The parents go through life almost ignorantly, foolishly happy. So, the child’s discontent went misunderstood. Either one or both of the parents were also rather childish, unable to take real responsibility for their actions and mistakes or to achieve their true goals in reality. Therefore, a child with a 12th House Saturn can feel like they’re being raised by children, not given solid, positive examples of how to be an adult on a personal and/or professional level.

However, there is a very deep-seated maturity lying within the Saturn in the 12th House person. It just might take them a while to consciously realize this side of themselves. Instead, they may have a habit of sailing through life as much childish unawareness as the parents. Those with this placement can insist on ignoring feelings of depression and anxiety, as well as what they see as a claustrophobic sense of responsibility. In short, they can resist the process of growing up, clinging to immature habits like an alcoholic does a bottle of liquor. And it can often feel like world wants to trap them and limit them through all of these adult trappings, like a steady career or a break from the environment and conditioning of their parents. These are feelings that can become particularly neurotic. 

Vincent Van Gogh's "The Potato Eaters"; a famous depiction of poverty


With Saturn in the 12th, it can seem like the world is the depressing place, not one’s self; that you’re happy and everyone else is miserable. If they’re dissociating from their Saturn, these people can go into a rather checked-out state when they hear people talking about how hard it is to pay their bills or how much they hate their job. However, they still have a deep-seated empathy (12th) for the difficulties (Saturn) of others. So, they can find themselves easily getting depressed by others’ problems, which can also lead to hidden feelings of guilt or cynicism. Saturn in this house might make you oblivious to how miserable you actually are. There can also be irrational phobias around achievement and ambition. Success can feel like a prison, leading you to remain adrift on your professional path or become secretly unhappy when you get ahead.

Therefore, the adultness and ambition of Saturn need to be brought to the surface. A 12th House Saturn is a very karmic position, resulting in the letting go of unconscious patterns that have become really crystallized. It can take a while for you to realize that no one is imprisoning you but yourself. By attempting to escape from responsibility or from your true goals in life, you’re only making it harder for yourself. Saturn in the 12th House is symbolic of the need for a very solid spiritual practice in life, whether it’s religion or philosophy or a New Age belief like astrology. It must be a form of spirituality that will help you structure your life and keep you from spending your existence in a babyish state. It must help you take conscious responsibility for your actions.

I always advise for people with 12th House planets to find ways to express them creatively. The universal humanity of these planets makes art a perfect outlet for them. With a 12th House Saturn, a very active artistic life becomes the outlet for your melancholy, as well as for your ancient wisdom and maturity. People with this placement are intuitively skilled at exploring the unhappiness of life through their art. People who are struggling and desperately trying to overcome obstacles are a real focus in their art and they channel a profound empathy into these stories. These are artists with true gravitas; geniuses at mining gritty, difficult subject matter. Saturn in the 12th also suggests that art can be the form of spirituality that structures one’s life. Being an artist will give them a deep sense of purpose, as well as a way to exert authority. 12th House Saturn artists tend to be very well-respected and looked up to, as their work is really accomplished, serious and ambitious.

Eventually, the authority that resides within everyone can be innately understood. These people can make excellent counselors, as they can teach people how to transcend the limitations (Saturn) that their imaginations (12th) are placing on them. Saturn in the 12th represents the wisdom that the only restrictions are the ones that we believe to be there. They can learn how to rise above their own limitations and recognize the ability for everyone else to do the same. But, it should also be said that they don’t want to (and shouldn’t) completely transcend the difficulties of life, in this more evolved state. They can go from the ignorance of trying to always be happy, instilled by their parents, to the acceptance that life is much richer and more inspiring when you’re often unhappy, on a certain level. This unhappiness can be seen as the fuel to reach the top of the mountain that they imagine. So, if you're always happy, where do you have left to go? 

The 12th House represents self-sacrifice and this is how Saturn in the 12th can be self-sacrificing: by giving up some of their happiness. They come to see the maturity in this, arriving at a place of deep acceptance that being an adult means dealing with struggle. But, it’s the release of the ego-driven desire for constant happiness that allows them to deal with hardship with amazing resilience. 12th House Saturn people can navigate their way through tough times with an uncanny kind of determination and hardiness. It’s like everyone else is drowning in the turbulent waters while they are just fluidly swimming along, riding each wave with graceful, unflagging perseverance.

These people can also bear your suffering with a humane sense of responsibility. This is where the innate paradox of stern Saturn in the ever-giving 12th House comes into play. Your problems are simultaneously not their problem and are their problem. Saturn in the 12th House people will listen to you unload with great compassion. They understand exactly where you’re coming from, as they’re only human, too. For some people with this placement, others’ problems can wear them down. But, Saturn draws lines in the sand. So, at a more evolved level, they can empathize with you and seek to heal you while also not getting too caught up in your mess. If you want to solve your problems, then great. They’ll dependably stick by your side as you do. But, if you stay stuck in the muck, they’ll float off toward another direction. 12th House Saturn people, at their best, don’t try and control your happiness, one way or another. They totally believe that’s under your control. 

For more on Saturn in the 12th: http://astroarena12.blogspot.com/2016/01/saturn-in-12th-house-accepting-aloneness.html

21 comments:

  1. I love your blog! Amazing how you can find the gold in seemingly horrible aspects and placements and express them so eloquently! Not given solid, positive examples of how to be an adult on a personal and/or professional level...sooooo true for me and also claustrophobic sense of responsibility...that too. Though I've never been unaware of the depths of my emotions, it's more of a fear of revealing how I really feel, I mean the deep, core, primal, raw feelings, for me that is. Much gratitude and love for you and your blog!

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    1. Thanks so much for saying that! Yeah, there's too much negative, fatalistic stuff about placements and aspects out there. Everything is what you make it. I'm glad this resonated with you. It happens to be my placement, too, as well as my chart ruler. I think it essentially gives you this really deep, hidden, private melancholy that only you can fully know. I think it can be a good thing, once it's acknowledged, because it can be great for artistic work or understanding others' troubles and helping them work toward healing.

      And, like I said in the article, 12th House Saturn can create a really strong, persevering individual, because we can learn that there is no real structure in the world. The only thing that structures it is our beliefs. So, we can learn to totally go with the flow (12th House), no matter what difficulties arise (Saturn). Good luck to you on your journey and keep reading the blog! :)

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    2. I have this placement as well as my sun and pluto also in the 12th house. I can say I have never been unaware of my depths...however, I know very well I tried to dodge whole heartedly what parts I didn't like. Saturn likes to catch all those parts in a net, hoarding them all until dropping them on the persons head in a single moment. If you have courage to face everything you have EVER avoided about yourself all at once... YOU realize Saturn is a strength as well as eternal ally..only saturn helps you out of remaining your own worst enemy, if you can muster the courage to face yourself with no filter, it will suck..it will be hard..but then, its the best thing that has ever EVER happened to you. I never give up and that is totally bc of this 12th house cursed GIFT.

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  2. So we're like kindred spirits in that sense, yay! Thanks Wayman!

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  3. Thank you so much for this. I have this placement and have been trying to find the positive and you gave it to me. Many thanks.

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  4. I'm still trying to figure my birth chart out as I have many planets in the 12th house. Saturn is conjunct my sun and moon in the 12th house but in aries....the baby of the zodiac? I was definitely the mature child but I always thought I was a new soul as I was always observing people, especially my family. I came from a crazy household and was called the normal one by those who new us! :/
    I was just reading another of your article on venus/pluto aspects......yes I have that too. ;)
    Good articles.

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  5. You are a therapist Wayman. Thank you so much for writing this wonderful article :) it is really helpful to people with placement of saturn in 12th house as i am having the same ...

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  6. Is it like having Pisces Saturn?

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    1. I would say so but it depends on the house position.....it is that area of the life where it would come out the character of it....I have Saturn in Pisces (with many other planet in the 12)....progressed SAturn in the 10th...so it is very obvious for many.....and now I understand many things as well...

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  7. I have Saturn in the 12th house (also conjuct Uranus and AC), my first problem is just that my days have no structure, I refuse any kind of pre-packed routine but I feel that I need a personal one in order to move forward in my life.

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    1. It's very hard to me to conform to this material life.

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  8. This is interesting. If my birthtime is correct it says I have Saturn in the 12th house, along with my Sun, Mercury, and Venus. What does this mean?

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  9. This is interesting. If my birthtime is correct it says I have Saturn in the 12th house, along with my Sun, Mercury, and Venus. What does this mean?

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  10. This is a most insightful commentary of the inner world of the 12th house Saturn person. I have this placement, as well as 3 other planets in the 12th. This article resonated very much with me, it really is a deep melancholy, and a beauty there, in a somber sort of way. I put this song on as i read, which I had never heard before, and it seemed to fit quite nicely.
    https://soundcloud.com/erasedtapes/woodkid-nils-frahm-winter-morning-i
    My creativity and artistic soul is dying to be expressed, yet doesnt seem to make it out of my imagination usually. Thank you for reminding me tht it really, truly is in there, and is my spirituality that I neglect.

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  11. Such a great article packed full of insight. I can certainly relate to being brought up in a home where we were not permitted to have a bad day. I remember my mother telling me to go back to bed and climb out the other side to help with my mood. I also remember always putting on that smile when I was young. I'm known as the person who always radiate happiness. However, that is not the case. In fact - now that I am older, I would rather be a hermit than to fake it. I'm working through my 12th house theme finally. I agree that a spiritual routine is necessary for us Saturn in the 12th people. I am working towards finding a way to "create" this world that I dream of. Thank you for your help in this journey that "we all" are traveling.

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  12. So much of this rang true for me! Thank you for helping me clarify the Saturn 12th house energy. I have a Yod that is apex at Saturn, so I've been trying to find out more about what that "Finger of God" is pointing to.

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  13. My Saturn is in 12th conj ascendant 2° - I find it hard to accept life is the typical just about having kids and working everyday. I feel like it's impossible for me to live this kind of life because it's as tho it's just not right. I'm still finding for my life path but as of now the typical life just instills a certain fear in me.

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  14. You da man Mr. Wayman! I love your eloquence and insights. I have Mars, Venus 12th house and Saturn 8th house in Pisces and I'm an artist! Yay! :-) I agree with every word you said and yes any kind of art is the perfect way to express this placement.

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  15. I've been reading about Saturn in the 12th House all day, and this is honestly the best and most insightful article I've found. I am not surprised that you share this placement and can thus bring your own insight to it. I've written copious notes and will come back to re-read this as well, as so many things you say resonate with my own experience, from family home/parents to unevolved aspects to creative expression - I especially loved the "art as spirituality" part, I think that is where I am heading next. Thank you very much for writing this, it's a true help.

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  16. Hello. I have this natal placement and that idea that native might have with this placement childish parents, is not always the case. I grew up in a materialistic, very down to earth hardworking- and atheistic home and I was taught by my mother that life is hard and you can trust only yourself (so in ways it is childish- cause to be so negative towards life is also a naive thing to do I´ve come to understand through this). Work hard and trust no one basically was the main message that I was taught at home and sent out to a world and I lived this way until my 30s (when took place my Saturn return of course). I somewhat rebelled against it of course in my 20s, but in overall, I´ve always felt compelled to excell work-wise and that I´m all alone and I must go on fighting if I want to achieve something in life. But it´s not why I´m here. I have my sun in 10th house and I have my south node in 10th house and my rising and 12th house are both in Cancer- I have very unorthodox birth chart and life cause besides to that Saturn rules also my 6th and 7th house- both are in Capricorn (and I was very ill for years until adulthood) and most of my planetary positions are in opposition- in 4th and 10th house. And my moon is a grandmother at 28 degree in 4th – and also my rising is at 28 degree in Cancer, so yes, I´m indeed one of those ancient souls who drag itself through this plane yet. The irony is that the ruler of 12th and Pisces, Neptune is in my 5th and in Sag, but the idea that life is easy in real and I should go out and have fun.. doesn´t still stick with me though I´m going through my midlife transitions right now but also all my retrogrades are in 4th nd 5th house- I have in retrograde all the outer planets, so the mistrust in me towards life.. is at times just enormous and I don´t wish no one to go through such difficulties in life what I have. Just thought to share with you also "my story".

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  17. Hi Mr. Wayman. thanks for the insight full article. Would request your views on how the zodiacs get effected by the diet one consumes. The astrologers in India recommend that a person with 12 house Saturn should avoid eating non veg and consuming alcohol. Kindly share your thoughts on the same.

    Thanks and regards

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