Friday, April 24, 2015

Moon-Saturn Aspects: The Grandparent

Your Moon being conjunct, square, opposite, sextile, or trine Saturn makes you the grandparent. This is more so figuratively speaking. Whether you’re teenaged, twenty-something, or middle-aged, having a Moon-Saturn aspect means that there’s a senior citizen inside of you, who’s lived a long, hard life and has the ailments to prove it. Saturn can be a tough planet to handle and when this planet aspects the Moon, which is the deepest, most instinctive part of you, it’s very natural for you to be in touch with the difficulties of life. It’s this intuitive awareness that can make living an exhausting, melancholy, even depressing existence but also make you very wise and resilient.

If you listen to a person describe what they were like as kids, you’ll hear them describe their Moon sign, house, and aspects. With a Moon-Saturn aspect, it’s typical to hear someone say that they were never truly “little” and had the mentality of an adult almost from the time they were toddlers. A part of this is just nature. Saturn is the ancient elder of astrology and when he aspects the Moon, which represents our intuition, you get someone who sort of skips over the whole innocent child routine while growing up. You naturally understood things beyond your experience but in a way that you couldn’t fully explain because it was so deeply felt. These are the kids who can get all the subtexts of an adult conversation and happily watch television shows or films aimed at adults. If you have a Water Moon in aspect to Saturn, then you absolutely started out as an old soul. 

But, part of this premature adultness was an issue of nurture, as well. I won’t spout off the conventional outlook that having a Moon-Saturn placement automatically means that you had a rotten mother figure (which is what the Moon represents). It can be the case with the square or the opposition. Yet, Saturn doesn’t have to suck as much as we’ve been taught! Saturn is dutiful and responsible. So, with the Moon in aspect to Saturn, you could’ve had a mother figure who really taught you about responsibility and self-sufficiency. This doesn’t mean this nurturing parent deprived or neglected you or was a cold person. It just means that they took care of you in ways that made sure that you could take care of yourself. In healthy ways, you weren’t coddled.

Yet, others with Moon-Saturn aspects can also experience the cold or emotionally distant nurturing figure. Often times, this parent can be (or, sometimes, appear to be) too busy with work or other responsibilities to pay a lot of attention to their child. So, you were left to your own devices and learned to do a lot of things yourself. These are often the classic latch-key kids, running the household while the nurturing parent is out. But, this might not just be busyness but emotional neglect, as well. And such neglect doesn’t always have to manifest through a parent who’s always taking care of business. It’s often quite common for those with their Moon sign in aspect to Saturn to have a very immature mother figure who they have to care for. You might’ve learned emotional self-sufficiency via a childish, irresponsible parent who you treated as if they were your child.

If that’s the case, it’s no wonder that you’re the grandparent! You’ve been having to parent your parent, which can lead to a common Moon-Saturn problem, even amongst the ones with the easier aspects (the sextile and trine, as well as the conjunction, in some cases), of feeling too responsible for others. If you also have the Moon in aspect to Neptune, that’s a combination for big-time guilt. Yet, in a way, you do need responsibility. We feel emotionally starved and insecure when we’re not satisfying our Moon. Since Saturn is all about duty, it’s natural that being a Moon-Saturn person means that you’re quite comfortable with carrying a sizable load on your back.

As a result, you are probably one of the most reliable, trustworthy people that your loved ones know. And I’m not just talking about when it comes to money and being on time and things like that. That’s more of a Mars-Saturn person’s domain. Since the Moon is about emotions, you’re very reliable in an emotionally supportive way. Moon-Saturn people instinctively fall into being the rock for other people and letting others know that they can always count on them when they need someone. More than you realize, you naturally feel more self-sufficient and capable than those around you. After all, the Moon represents how we take care of others. So, you do so by aiding people with your guidance and your wisdom, centering and straightening them out.

But, you can also end up carrying too much of a heavy load. Memories (Moon) of family hardship (Saturn) can haunt many people with this influence. Financial struggle is very common in the families of those with these placements. And because of that, you were the child who worked as soon as you possibly could to help your parent(s) out. Even if your family was relatively comfortable or even well-off, money and bills and career were still constant topics of discussion at home. So, it was instilled within you that you needed to be busting your butt. Little was just handed to you. However, this same conditioning could’ve made you very status-conscious or job-conscious.

One of the best things about Saturn is the success that it can bring us. And as a Moon-Saturn person, success is what makes you feel emotionally secure. But, on the flip side, failure is something that can bring out a deep well of insecurity, fear, and sadness inside of you. Falling short or being painfully reminded of how short you’ve fallen can be very devastating to you, much more so than the next person. Those with the conjunction, square, and the opposition can be the hardest on themselves, in this sense. But, even people who have the sextile or the trine can sometimes beat themselves up over perceived failures. And such an attitude can send you under. 

Quote by poet/novelist Charles Bukowski

Depression is very linked to Moon-Saturn (though not always the case, of course), as the planet of emotion combines with the planet of limitations to potentially make the individual feel as if they’re always hitting a wall. This can be experienced in many different areas, depending on the house positions of the Moon and Saturn. But, with this placement, struggle can be seen as such an unavoidable aspect of life that one can’t help but be sad. In extreme cases, a certain hopelessness or emptiness can sink in. This is why some Moon-Saturn people can seem to fit the stereotypically cold description. They might not be cold at all but just too wrapped up in their sadness yet also too unable to give in to it. The ones with the harsher aspects can seem cold while those with the easier aspects seem to just have a stiff-upper-lip stoicism. In any case, they can be unconscious (Moon) of how austere (Saturn) they seem.

There is also usually a noticeable dislike of pity. Empathy? Yes, as someone with a Moon-Saturn aspect, you’re certainly capable of empathy. You intuitively know that life often sucks and can empathize with that. But, you most likely do not like when people do nothing but feel sorry for themselves and that includes yourself. You probably recoil when people have too much of an “aw, poor you” tone to their voice when you tell them about your troubles, which is why you often don’t tell them. You aren’t into self-pity and instinctively respond from a resourceful, resilient place that tries to figure out what you can do about the situation.

Just don’t let yourself harden in the process! Those with a Moon-Saturn aspect can sometimes be so intent on being capable and in control to the point of cutting themselves off from others’ support altogether, especially if the Moon is in Aries, Virgo, Scorpio, or Capricorn. Remember that you can receive some sort of help or assistance from others (whether it’s emotional or financial) and still be your efficient self. It’s all about a balance. If not, you’re going to stress yourself out to the point of no return. This can help to eliminate that deep sadness you can struggle with, as well as bring an awareness that a lot of your focus on struggling is creating a lot of the struggling. Don’t be a pessimist. Just focus on being realistic enough to accomplish your goals.

And you have quite an intuitive skill for accomplishment and achievement. Moon-Saturn can allow your gut to lead you to success, especially in authoritative positions. You would make a naturally good manager, as you have sound instincts when it comes to structuring things and making sure that the ship is running smoothly. As a result, you don’t really like anything to mess up this functioning machine and can take it quite personally when things don’t go as planned with employees or co-workers. You certainly don’t like working alongside those who are sloppy or who fool around. The fact that you’re not one to be fooled with can certainly make you popular with your superiors. Moon-Saturn people can easily gain promotions or recognition because of their natural work ethic, especially if the Moon and/or Saturn is in the 10th or aspects the Midheaven.

You bring as much structure to your private life, as well. This might be because you’re a workaholic, as many people with these aspects are, and can’t help but bring your work home. But, it can also be because you feel comfortable with a controlled, structured life, particularly if you’re the one doing the structuring. Our Moon can represent our habits and with Moon-Saturn, your habits can be like an old person’s, even while still very young. You could be in your mid-twenties and decline a night out with your friends because you’d rather stay in and read or just turn in while watching the news. But, you actually gain a deep sense of security from this fussy little lifestyle, feeling at ease by tucking in early and going through your morning routine and doing all of the household chores.

Because of this, Moon-Saturn people tend to have a special relationship with one (or more) of their grandparents. This bond often starts from childhood. As I said before, there was just something different about you as a kid; something very adult-like that made other adults enjoy your company. With your grandmother or grandfather, in particular, there is an almost kindred-spirit feeling between the two of you. They might sense that you’re very open to the wisdom that they have to give you but they might also sense that you have many wise, salt-of-the-earth things to say to them. It’s quite funny to watch a person with Moon-Saturn sit around, drinking coffee and swapping stories with their grandparent. It often feels as if the two of them are the same age.

Saturn represents time and there is this deeply pressing sense of time with most Moon-Saturn folks. You are constantly driven by this unconscious awareness of time, purposefully wanting to get as much done as you can. Saturn is about purpose, after all. And with Moon-Saturn, you definitely need a strong sense of purpose to your life. Both the Moon and Saturn represent fear, in different ways. The Moon’s fear is irrational and protective while Saturn’s fear is ever-cautious. So, in spite of the controlled calm you might give off, there can be tremendous anxiety or doubt hidden within  your nature. What you fear most is living a life that was wasteful and meaningless, getting nothing accomplished in all of your time here. Therefore, you have a deep need (Moon) to keep pushing (Saturn) yourself toward whatever goal you want to reach. You desperately want to do something important with your life. But, take solace in the fact that most Moon-Saturn individuals do.

Moon conjunct Saturn: You have the most ingrained sense of responsibility out of the bunch, since you have the conjunction. But, your dutifulness can end up becoming a handicap if you take on too much or are too hard on yourself. Still, you never want to relax too much, as you are a deeply driven, ambitious person. Your managerial instincts can end up taking you far.

Moon square or opposite Saturn: Life can be most crushing for those with the square or the opposition because the rug always seems to get pulled from underneath the good times. So, you can spend too much time being pessimistic and waiting for the other shoe to drop. The good thing is that you’re amazingly resilient and can push through difficulties that would stop someone else cold.

Moon sextile or trine Saturn: With the sextile and the trine, ambition and realism are usually expressed in relatively mild, moderate ways. You can be very dedicated and hardworking without working yourself into the ground. However, you’re still familiar with the blues and can let sadness consume you a little too often. Remember to find ways to work through it.


  1. Wayman, I LOVE your blog! Your writing style is positive and inspiring. The sense of time part is totally me. As a Leo Sun, I'm all about having a good time but I work like A LOT. I really haven't made any good memories that I can look back on when I'm much older and that worries me. I'm trying to enjoy my youth yet stay focused.

    This article is amazing. Definitely bookmarked! 💙

    1. Thanks, Kameron! Moon-Saturn people often have a tough time realizing what they've accomplished and have a habit of being too focused on what they haven't accomplished or what they need to work on. I have the sextile and this can be a problem for me, too. You've probably made bigger strides and achieved more than you realize, even if this success doesn't seem like much of a success. The only real failure is not trying at all!

  2. I have the opposition in my natal chart, moon in virgo opposite saturn in pisces and boy oh boy do I feel the effect of this aspect in my life. I identify with a lot of what you said especially the parts about feeling like an old person though I'm young (in my early 20s). My friends have jokingly called me an old woman on more than one occasion and having a special bond with a grandparent (my grandmother and I were always really close since childhood). Also I can safely say that I am one of the most responsible and hard-working people that I know.

    Like I said earlier fantastic blog, so in depth and detailed. Good job!

    1. Thank you! I imagine the opposition has to get tough, at times, but I'm sure you're also amazingly resilient and can persevere through just about anything. And Virgo Moon is already reliable and hardworking, in most cases. But, Saturn really doubles that quality.

  3. Love this, love your writing style. I highlighted so many parts that spoke to me, a Moon (Gem) trine Saturn, Sun (Cap). I've battled depression as far back as I can remember, yet when I set my mind to do something, I do it (with white knuckles). You described my relationship with my elderly uncle, who was a kindred-spirit to me, more like a grandfather I never had. Sadly, he passed last year at 91. Miss him. Then this year, my mum passed away at 82; she was quite ill, so it wasn't a complete surprise, but it didn't really hit me until, a couple of months ago, I buried her ashes next to my dad's and both my sisters. Yes, I struggle with the blues because I've had so many losses of beloved family members. Luckily though, I have a wonderful husband & a few good friends I cherish. It's the Yin & Yang of life, there nothing you can do about it, just accept it & keep moving forward.

  4. I had to laugh out loud a few times as this so perfectly describes me! Also, I remember getting to work right away when I was seventeen with a full time job to start making money to help my family and also taking on a loan so they could pay the mortgage. These were for my parents who had good paying jobs!! Wayman explains perfectly how this could be.

  5. well, my son has Capricon moon second house trine saturn in virgo 10 house .He has a special relation with my father (his grandfather )and likes to talk with adult persons . i watched him in the park and notice that he opens different subjects with the parents of the children with whom is playing , asking stuffs very mature . He has a very protective side with little children ,likes to caress their heads saying : come play with me little boy ,i will teach you a new game. He is six now and talks alot about how important will be in his profesion as a doctor. May good guide his steps . Thank you Wayman .

  6. Hey :) - I know this is an older post. Am really liking your interpretations/explanations! My Saturn is quincunx my moon so I think reading it for opposition and square would apply?

  7. Hello Wayman,i have moon-saturn conjunction out of sign,8 degrees.I really find my self in this article,is it worth ?

  8. I really really like this post, thanks :) i have saturn(capricorn) moon (cancer) opposite in my chart, i really prefer talking older people instead of my peers, i couldn't see my grandparents in my childhood and i feel sad about this, your article explains the reason :)

  9. Hello! I have moon quintile Saturn and this is very true! I always were close to adults growing up. To me older people are way more interesting then younger people. Can you tell about the quintile or do you not care much about the quintile then the major aspects?

  10. Moon square Saturn is the only square between planets in my chart and this is spot on. How do you get behind the eyes of us and see life the way we do? You truly are a gift to us all
    Thank you so much for your grasp of language and depth of empathy!

  11. Hello Wayman, yes! You are Great :) this is exactly..I have Moon square Saturn and this is very true..sorry my english is not enough for what I want to ...thank you :)

  12. This was great. My daughter has Moon conj Saturn
    ...I worry she might feel one day that I didn't give her enough love. I care for discipline a lot and her dad is the caring type. But how can you be someone that you're not? I will be the best mother to her that I can be and we'll have to do a lot of talking some day. She's already in love with her dad and all grandparents. Tnank you for putting my mind at ease! A little (complete ease is impossible with my - mercury conj mars opposition Saturn conj Pluto!) :)

  13. This is unbelievable! Accurate and so soothing to know I am not MAD but my chart is not easy. Thank you, thank you!

  14. Moon-Saturn opposition in my chart. I was a precocious child. I remember wondering why all the others kids (e.g. age 4 or 5) were so "gaga" & mentally unrefined/less sophisticated compared to me.

    I just didn't get it, but I did understand it was the "norm".

    I remember an older sister of mine saying things like: hey you talk like an adult even though you're a kid. Hahahaha

    And even as a teenager I used to be very wise for my age and I had a habit of chatting to older people (not necessarily elderly, just older).

    Everything else was spot on for me as well.

  15. I had been thinking this past week about my urge, my drive about time and wasting time and wastefulness and accomplishment and the overwhelming feeling of "must" achieve and how that overwhelming feeling ruined my childhood, or so it seems. I felt so overwhelmed, it was like putting out a fire. The stress/water of having to achieve, not waste time, now now now put out the creativity, energy, fire inside. I'm gaining ground in my forties. Thank you for this piece. It explains exactly what I went through in my childhood, grandparents, taking responsibility for parents, and all.

  16. I have a tight saturn-moon square, and this reading is spot on. I've always had very close relationships with all of my grandparents, esp. My maternal grandpa. My best friends have always been 1-2 generations older and my peers have always make fun of my old-soul presence, including the way I speak (I unintentionally use lots of old-words) and hobbies ;)